I am stuck in the middle of assignments but still taking the time to post this, so you can guess that this news is special
Now MNS goes after ‘Pak’ signboards.
The owner of Karachi Sweets in Mulund has received a one-page note, written on MNS letterhead by local activist Rajendra Deshmukh, asking him to change the name of the shop or face the consequences.
Too many emotions .. I can’t possibly write them down in words. Comments anyone ?
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January 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Nikhil
good going MNS…
and while you are at it, the name ‘Hindu’ was derived from the river ‘Sindhu’, which is now in Pakistan. I say we change it to ‘Gangu’.
January 22, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Deepak Iyer
@Nikhil : Brilliant !!!
January 22, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Indian
Just to be correct when we are criticizing others : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu#Etymology
Sindhu word here does not refer to Sindhu river alone. And it is also not considered as Most important among seven one.
Also i do not see anything wrong in their stand !! If you agree to their theory , its not a very absurd demand on their part. I do not agree so i do not support their demand but i do not see point in saying it is wrong !! We have to agree some people think differently and they also have opinions even though they take wrong route to express them
No no ..i do not agree with MNS people.
January 22, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Nachiket
To all those who like to start bashing MNS now & then….just do 1 thing…go to Karachi/Lahore and open a shop called Mumbai/Delhi sweet mart…and then see what happens. I think MNS is decent enough this time to warn… I dont think their counterparts in Pak will be as corteous…
January 23, 2009 at 1:43 am
Deepak Iyer
@Indian : Every should have and express opinions; but when you say even though they take the wrong route to express them, you are wrong. Fundamentally wrong.
@Nachiket : So you are saying the MNS is better than Pakistanis ? But I never doubted that [:)].
January 23, 2009 at 8:31 am
Indian
Deepak, Your logic is fundamentally flawed. When i say wrong , it is according to what i/you think . To remind you there is never right/wrong as such.. its only perception or point of view whatever you call it. Nobody does what they think is wrong .. never .. why ? As Mark Twain says we simply can not do that !! Man is mere machine and follows simple rule of his built .. as simple as that. They think that is right and they do it .. And though i do not support their idea , i do not think i have any right to call it wrong .. IT IS HOW THEY THINK.. Study wars sir and you will understand what i mean .. But simply saying something wrong just because you DO NOT support sounds simply childish to me. Always remember you can be WRONG ..
January 23, 2009 at 10:50 am
Deepak Iyer
If it were a philosophical discussion, I could sit and argue, but this is the real world we are dealing with.
Since man is a social animal, there are some rules of society which got classified as right /wrong, right/wrong should purely be seen from that perspective and how sustainable they are.
By your logic, you shouldn’t have any problem even if any group goes around killing anyone.
See I don’t really care if you go up a cliff and jump down, that I give you is your right.
But when you enforce something on someone else, it is a completely different area.
January 23, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Nachiket
Once upon a time tolerance was mans virtue…alas its become a weekness now…My country gets bashed by other countries coz its tolerant, in the country my state gets bashed from others coz its tolerant (referring to BeLgav problem)…inside the state people of my language get thrashed by outsiders because they are tolerant… So I think tolerance is the other name of cowardness…
January 23, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Indian
Only thing from your reply i can figure out is you have never ever been involved in real life quarrel or fight. Otherwise you would have understood what i am trying to say… anyways i can not explain anything to somebody who can not “see” other end .. and again i remind you i am at the same end as you are. I just knew couple of things and i see few things differently. As for the arguments sake i can also support my point and take right/wrong discussion till you give up but that would still not make you understand other side. Now before we leave this issue, tell me how MNS people should behave if they hate somebody displaying Name “karachi” ? for now do not bother why they hate it but if they do and they do so much that mere name makes them not sleep for weeks .. what do you expect them to do ? As for the means of expressing one’s opinion human civilization has always chosen different means right from the caves and some of them conflict with each other .. so what ? other people stop doing it coz you guys do not like them ? .. sorry sir keep writing blog we got some real world issue(as you call it) to handle .. bye
January 23, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Deepak Iyer
Once upon a time tolerance was a virtue, but then everyone started using tolerance as a means to brainwash people.
Take the Islamists, Kashmiri militants, the Hindu fundamentalists and the regional fundamentalists.
January 23, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Deepak Iyer
@Indian : Firstly, you assume hate is fine. Then you must understand the people who execute anti-semitism and any kind of genocide anywhere in the world; but not agree to the means. Genocide is just one step ahead of hate. Just the fact that they did not kill many people but harbour the same hatred that the Germans had for the Jews or the Kashmiris had for the Pundits or the Brahmins have for the Dalits in countless parts of India does not make it worth debating.
January 23, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Indian
And what exactly would you call your thoughts about MNS people ? To me its similar hatred. To whom you hate does not make any difference as such. Also do not get me wrong .. I repeat i do not support them. May be you can read ‘What is Man’ essay by Mark Twain and try to understand what i am trying to say. I might not be able to correctly put it here. http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/twain/wim.txt
January 23, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Deepak Iyer
Where did you get that I hate them ?
I just think they are dangerous. Not by virtue of their bats and stones, but by their thinking and intolerance.
Btw, I am a huge fan of the MNS. And this news piece just take them higher in my eyes.
I owe plenty of entertainment to them, as long as I am not at the receiving end.
January 23, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Nachiket
If you yourself reread your posts related to MNS in past, you will realize how hellbent you are in criticizing them whatever they do in whatever manner… and with the appreciation you got from some like minded fellow bloggers/commentors on your posts I think criticizing MNS has become your style statement.
You, I feel, represent the people who have such hatred against them. This clan includes ‘Bombay’ites (not Mumbaikars…mind you), Hindi ‘Bhayya’ channels etc … All such people pretend to oppose the parochial thinking/ politics /intolerance blah blah blah but in reality they dont…their target is only the money in Mumbai. I never heard such kind of people ever criticizing Kannadigas for beating innocent Marathi people in Belgav or criticizing Tamilians for opposing hindi. Neither did they oppose anti bhayya sentiments in Assam, haryana nor did they try to solve Tamil-Kannadiga conflict.
People of MH were nice to all outsiders of last few decades and welcomed everyone with open arms… and this has proved to be suicidal for the Marathi culture. The outsiders have become a majority and such is their impact on the everyday life of average Mumbaikar that even the spoken marathi of Mumbaikars has changed to a mixture of 50% hindi & 50% hindi. In the coming elections you will see a lot of seats totally decided on bhayya vote banks… and if someone tries to protest against this, do you think its a sin to do so? I agree there are better (democratic) ways to tackle to these issues but tell me who gives a damn if you go and do some gandhigiri…and do you think these bhayya goons will listen to their democratic protests? And is the way they behave is democratic? So this is the only way to deal with these people.
MNS is kind of politics that you will see in future in every corner of country where people who are fed up of years of wrongdoing will rise. There will be Lt Col Purohits to oppose minority appeasement, there will be Raj Thackeryes to oppose bhayya dadagiri. And they are the need of hour or else we loose all our culture to these goons.
January 24, 2009 at 2:10 am
Manasi
@Indian and @Nachiket,
For a while, if I assume that all bhaiyyas are ill behaved and just want to steal Maharasthran’s jobs, I can still consider being ok with doing dadagiri with them to protect the Marathi manus’s rights. (Mind you, I said IF I assume).
However, to make a hapless sweets shop dealer change the name of his shop is not going to make any Maharashtran’s get more jobs. It is a human right. Its his shop. He can name it what he wants. Just put yourself in his situation. If you’re living in America and want to give an Indian name to your shop, why cant you? Do you see the hospitality Indians have got throughout the world?? Do you think we will still get it if we start discriminating based on state, country or religion?
Why is there a common hatred for Pakistanis? The guys with guns are different. If you visit homes in Pakistan, you will see people just like us. Common man is the same in any country.
Maybe the marathi culture is at stake here. But this is the most absurd way of reinforcing it. Shouldnt the mns be arranging more cultural programs, make the marathi culture more popular, sponsor plays and the talent in the inside villages instead of sponsoring goons to beat up all the non maharasthran people??
Stop generalizing for heaven’s sake. All bhaiyyas are goondas, all pakistanis are violent.. what next? do you want all maharashtrans to be tagged as extremists? no maharashtran will get a job outside maharasthra then.
January 24, 2009 at 3:57 am
nishant
i am sick of this pro-MNS n anti-MNS talk.
January 24, 2009 at 4:19 am
Deepak Iyer
Yes a debate with a closed mind does get sick after some time.
The problem with people debating is the lack of drive to find a solution, a solution that is constructive and sustainable. Till then the same points keep going back and forth with no real knowledge addition to anyone.
For eg, in this news piece, the issue was someone invading someone else’s right. If I own a shop, I have the right to call it anything as long as I do not invade ur space in any way. This is just a basic fundamental right every citizen has.
But again, this invasion must be on another person’s fundamental right only. Not general things like hurting sentiments. This reason has been used infinite times in the most ridiculous of cases. In cases where there is a legitimate invasion, the matter can easily be solved through law. But PIL’s by the normal people and threats by parties like the MNS an Shiv Sena just exploit this loophole to their advantage.
But in an argument we tend to first identify ourselves with a side and just stick to it without even bothering about the root of the debate. I wonder how many people here even saw that a fundamental right of a property owner was being violated here.
January 24, 2009 at 4:31 am
nishant
In MSN’s defence, i would say:
we dont keep things related to our enemy in our homes. pakistan is our enemy(debate over this should invite new blog). so we dont want shop names like this. but at the same time, we dont mind having ‘american restaurant’,'french wines’ shops here.
In that shopkeeper’s defence:
its a free country. i can give my shop any name. M.F. Hussein can paint naked bharatmata in this free country, why cant i name my shop as ‘karachi sweets’?
lastly, i would say, both are right in their own place. and this is my last reply on this blog. looking forward to ur next posts.
January 24, 2009 at 5:06 am
Deepak Iyer
See your defense of MNS would be fine if they had a shop, and they asked their servant to go and change the nameplate.
If you don’t like to see someone else have such a name on his private property, you just don’t have to go and see it ! Its that simple ! Are you seriously trying to defend this case ?
About MF Hussain, the issue is extremely debatable. But I do believe that a certain level of sensibilities should have been catered to by him before making them public. Again, that issue enters the grey area of art, so I wouldn’t be the right person to even comment on it.
January 24, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Nachiket
Raj’s latest rally …. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5qi8CmHtUM&feature=channel
An eyeopener to all MNS haters… listen and then tell me at least one wrong thing that he has said in the whole video…
January 24, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Nachiket
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/76806/10_2008/devils_shobhaa1/devils-advocate-shobhaa-de-on-mumbai-vs-bombay.html
January 24, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Nachiket
Rajs latest rally… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5qi8CmHtUM&feature=channel
Listen what he says and then point out just one wrong thing…
January 25, 2009 at 3:09 am
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January 25, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Nachiket
I agree this debate was nowhere near ideology of MNS… but the only reason I jumped in was your tendancy of criticizing MNS whatever they do. Had it been some other org which demanded the same thing, I bet your response would have been different. So your opinions also overlook what and why they have demanded and they are based on you opinionated mind which is programmed to go into criticizing mode whenever you read 3 letters M, N, and S & still makes you think that you have written something with a very liberal point of view. If it was not the case, you could have commented on why they are/aren’t wrong in your original post but you choose to make fun of whole thing through the title instead of doing some serious thinking on it.
Coming back to the debate, this is very similar to French fries – freedom fries issue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries).
January 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Nikhil
and again…
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/clashes-between-mns-workers-north-indians-in-nashik/83729-3.html
January 27, 2009 at 2:41 am
Sudeep Pandey
I am sorry for joining the party late… And I see i missed the most good part of it.
All in favor/against, please don not forget history.
The similar exercise started in 80s in one of our neighboring country called afganistan and now we know what taliban are. Nobody at that time would ever thought of what franekenstein’s monster are they creating.
We should not forget about what happened with SIMI in early 90s in UP, and now almost all bomb-blast enquiries leads to them.
I fully second what deepak said and i go a step further saying a goonda is a goonda without any caste/creed/religion/language and he should not be allowed to wander freely in a “free society” like ours.
We (the common people) should not support anything which remotely violates the fundamental rights given by our constitution to every fellow countrymen. And I dont want to debate what happens or what they do when this is not India. WE, THE INDIANS, are bound by INDIAN constitution and no one should be above it.
January 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Nikhil
and again.. and again….
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/mns-does-it-again-now-attacks-mumbai-university/83805-3.html
January 30, 2009 at 3:56 am
Saurabh Bhatia
So Now, they will change the University Curriculum, then Signboards. Mr Raj Thakrey has repeated said about the Railway Recruitments being his prime subject and he has immense power, which he has been displaying on the aam junta, he can use this power to meet the Railway Minister and the Local RRB and resolve the matter as a concerned local political activist which he pretends to be.
Recently one of my friends, who stays at a Locality in Andheri, was told by a pan wala that the rioters in Raj Thakrey’s mob are none other than than unemployed youth many of whom were migrant themselves and do this purely for a meal and toddy.Raj Thakrey’s speach in thane just before this republic day was a major blow to the sovereignty and integrity in general, the video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEJRbAsozo
Lastly we are all governed by the constitution of the country and not abiding by it qualifies as a crime punishable by law
January 30, 2009 at 3:57 am
Saurabh Bhatia
So Now, they will change the University Curriculum, then Signboards. Mr Raj Thakrey has repeated said about the Railway Recruitments being his prime subject and he has immense power, which he has been displaying on the aam junta, he can use this power to meet the Railway Minister and the Local RRB and resolve the matter as a concerned local political activist which he pretends to be.
January 30, 2009 at 3:58 am
Saurabh Bhatia
Recently one of my friends, who stays at a Locality in Andheri, was told by a pan wala that the rioters in Raj Thakrey’s mob are none other than than unemployed youth many of whom were migrant themselves and do this purely for a meal and toddy.Raj Thakrey’s speach in thane just before this republic day was a major blow to the sovereignty and integrity in general, the video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEJRbAsozo
Lastly we are all governed by the constitution of the country and not abiding by it qualifies as a crime punishable by law
January 30, 2009 at 4:02 am
Deepak Iyer
@Saurabh : I think we all know why he wouldn’t do that. Solving a problem is dangerous, because then you don’t have anything to solve. Applies to all political parties of India.