Out of curiosity, Lesley Hazleton started reading the Koran in its Arabic form. She found beauty, a few misinterpreted parts and a few ambiguous ones. Her short and entertaining TED talk is here.
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Her points are fair and they had to be made by someone. Her talk and this tiresome feud between a blogger named Sandeep and Nilanjana Roy, made me realize that religious texts are not where the debate over religion ought to be.
Here’s where I’m coming from on the topic of religion: The good parts of most religions offer some universal values that ought to be common sensical, spiritual values that lead to different—not higher, mind you—states of mind (perhaps analogous to taking recreational drugs) and a warm feeling of comfort and hope. Everything else falls under not good.
Those who are coming from religious backgrounds, see some value in religion and believe it ought to last, I wish they took up the job of cleaning up the widely misinterpreted parts of their respective religions. They don’t have to, but they can’t be surprised if their religion dies a slow natural death—or as is more likely to happen, a slow, fighting one.
Religion needs to be split into two parts: first, religious texts and what they intended and second, how it is practiced. If a plurality of a religion believes in getting virgins in heaven, who gives a flying fuck what was intended by the creator? (Fun fact: This previous line is blasphemous and can get one sued.) Even those who claim the original words are ambiguous and hence misinterpreted, can’t say for certain if the original writers did not mean to say virgins.
Likewise, the most prevalent story of Ramayana shows Rama in very poor light if you look at him from the prism of modern thought. People derive inspiration from the prevalent version. Who cares what was written—and who knows what was intended—in the original Ramayana, if such a thing exists.
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Rama comes across as misogynistic in the common version of Ramayana. I’m okay with that—that’s how progress is made. Those were crazy times, and not very pleasant if you were not a male from a high caste. Just think about it: everyone from that time was likely to know someone who had killed another human being in war or combat. If social values of people from those times sound reasonable today, we haven’t progressed very far as humans. The same applies going further: who knows, humans from a few centuries from now might look back at us and find it downright silly how we lived our entire lives as men or women depending on one fact of chance—gender—that we had no control over.
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For every possibility that original creators of religions were noble and meant no ill thought, there is a possibility that they were the exact opposite. As such, criticism or defense of religious texts is pointless. Let’s criticize and defend common and prevalent interpretation of religions instead. To those who want to quibble over what was intended in religious texts or what was truly said, frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.

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February 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm
desi
1. “Those who are coming from religious backgrounds, see some value in religion and believe it ought to last, I wish they took up the job of cleaning up the widely misinterpreted parts of their respective religions.”
–> Absolutely. I recommended ‘Invading the sacred – An analysis of Hinduism studies in America’ to interested readers as a starter. Let me mention some misinterpretation – Bindi as a drop of menstrual fluid and the “ha” in sacred mantras as a woman’s sound during orgasm. This is by widely acknowledge academic scholars. References of the interpretation are provided for independent verification. (http://invadingthesacred.com/content/view/13/33/ )
2. “Rama comes across as misogynistic in the common version of Ramayana.”
–> Somehow I find it very difficult to digest this common feminist view used recently. In every version of Ramayana it is clearly mentioned he took the decision as a King, not as husband and in fact he slept on the floor rest of the life…so on. how come this decision can be termed as misogynist.
3. “Just think about it: everyone from that time was likely to know someone who had killed another human being in war or combat. If social values of people from those times sound reasonable today, we haven’t progressed very far as humans. The same applies going further: who knows, humans from a few centuries from now might look back at us and find it downright silly how we lived our entire lives as men or women depending on one fact of chance—gender—that we had no control over.”
–> This is the precise reason I wish people should not look into Ramayan or other text for that matter from from ‘Modern prism’ and take values apply to the current times.
4. I would like to recommend you Rajiv Malhotra’s “Being Different”, a comparative study of Christianity and Dharma (Hinduism,Budhhism, Sikhism, Jainism) It clears a lot of confusion and mis-representation of Hinduism. If not interested in reading then there are video’s on his book and also debates. Look for the concept of “History centrism” “exclusiveness claims of religions” “digestion of civilization” etc
February 8, 2013 at 9:59 am
Deepak
1. I’ve never heard of those misrepresentations.
2. Because it was
And that’s a fair assessment. Most societies were patriarchal back then. Heck, most societies are patriarchal even now!
Take another example of Sita’s father announcing that anyone who could move Shiva’s bow could marry his daughter. Classic case of patriarchal misogyny. Such examples are rampant throughout the fable.
What am more curious about is this: Why does the Ramayana have to be perfect for today’s values?
3. Anytime you read anything from the past in today’s time, whether you like it or not, it will be read from a modern prism. The modern prism are not some values that we take on before starting reading. It is the aggregate of the values around us.
Also, once it becomes so labourous to sieve through texts and taking and ignoring bits, why are those texts even needed? Don’t we need newer texts that aren’t so tiresome to parse?
February 8, 2013 at 11:30 am
desi
1. Now you know
2. I’m sure there must enough research done on why society were patriarchal. I would not delve there. But I do not think use of ‘modern prism’ selectively on these text to blame political parties or person. To me it seems like most people are blaming for the sake of blaming or may be as a tool to blame (e.g Vivekananda’s pose , masculinity and Modi’s authoritarian attitude)
No, Ramyana don’t have to be perfect for today’s value. My view is it shouldn’t be judged by today’s values.
3. Agree, we need newer text, but regarding old texts if they become irrelevant and they will have natural death. For our epics, I subscribe to Sandeep’s view.
“There’s a reason our epics have stood the test of time: they deal with fundamental human impulses and aren’t written with any ideology or theory in mind. As such, they will remain relevant and revered as long as humankind exists notwithstanding however they are interpreted, notwithstanding how much mud is slung at them.”
February 8, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Deepak
2. Do you also extend the same generosity to say, the Koran which conditionally recommends killing of infidels?
3. That quote is amusing at best and lacks vision at worst.
How is the Ramayana relevant today? How exactly is anyone using any lesson from the Ramayana today?
February 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm
desi
2. As long as they don’t kill or harm anyone today in the name of Koran + forced expansion/conversion of religion. Personally I believe these things are source of tension/conflict.
3. As far as I know almost every kid in India (of course Hindus), stories from Ramayan and Mahabharat are told to teach respect for parents and other relations, oppressive ruler have always fallen and righteous one always won, and many more values which are still relevant today. Original Ramayan & Mahabharat is much more than what is commonly known, There are several debates, conversions, policy discussion in detailed to deal with given situation at that time, these things may not be relevant ‘as it is’ today, but I believe a lot of can be learnt from them to deal with situations in current times.
In the absence of well organized education system and educational resource that we have today. These are the epics that have significant impact on shaping Indian culture and views. They are still relevant and being taught in one way or other, knowingly or unknowingly in every person that I know and I am sure in India as well.
February 8, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Deepak
3. Fair point. There could be some themes of the popular version of Ramayana imbibed in all of us (which is also bad in a sense because misogyny and patriarchy is one of those).
Thinking further about the Mahabharata, I think its themes are imbibed to a lesser extent. The Bhagvad Gita, even less, I’d guess.